Cancel Orders

[Havoc]

i had havoc tell me i was cheating with es about a week ago , however i see that there are many who think it is not cheating. the take home message for me is only use it on poor sots who don't know what it is, then own them for three years and never tell them how to do it, like you all did to me. then if you see anyone doing it call them a cheater if your HS didn't work and flame them a bit and leave the room crying.

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F2,F4 it is cheating if you assing them fighters, really fast and constantly change them like if it were the zzzz button, were you hit it very fast, instead you do it wit the F2, F4 that is bug my dearly friends.

Just like Fatboy does, but he does it with formations instead of tactic combo and hitting that like if it were the (z) key, is bug scout, that means its cheat.

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I think i gave you some tips and training Icabod. I Helped you.

Are the rest comments have to do with me? cause they dont make sense. hehe.

Cause as far as am concern you didnt laid a finger on me on either games we had hehe. Not that am judging by skill level whos more than who here, but you acted a little wierd, by writing that down. Point out if i misunderstood you. care guys.

[Lagsy]

well havoc it would apear that F2 and F4 changing is accepted by every when they are using it ( IE the SLS guys and smurfs ) but when you use it on them its ES

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thats just poor sportmanship in my opinion. i know a forum of ES that doesnt use any of the F1-F11 keys at all

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maybe its time to start a patition to have homeworld patched and see if we can convince Vivendi Universal to do it

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what would fix scouts is if hiting a formation key would make all your scouts stop dead for 5 seconds to take on the new formation making them easy targets then people would never change formation in battle and same for changing tactics make it take a few seconds and scouts sit still. and have it so kami scouts wont push enemy scouts and will just speed up enough to hit them instead. but of corse a patch will never happen sigh

[icabodSFa]

sorry havoc , but after game with you i have made concerted effort not to use f2zf4zzz kf2z f4zzz. tonight i played a game and as soon as my scouts met the other guys , his scouts start dancing around doing the f2 f4 thing. by the time i can react my scouts are gone. took like 3 seconds to kill 30 of my scouts with me being good boy in micro formations and just f4zzzzzz. because im trying to be good boy that changes course of entire game because he uses same scouts to kill my collectors.

My question becomes, if I play all honest and I die looking stupid to some smurf, won't i have more fun if i toss my high morals into the wind, start smurfing under the name of esomatic, and win some games. then all you folks with morals higher than me will know not to play games with esomatic, and ill have all the fun killing poor sots like the dude did to me tonight.

Is it not fair to hit any damn keys on the keyboard any way you want , other than reprogramming the game, and win? Tonight it would have been the do unto others before they did unto me principle. Its not like there arent one gazillion other smurfs and old timers coming on without our high and might morals doing it and cleaning up the floor with the advanced mediocre players like myself. What ever happened to alls fair in love and war.??

[Lagsy]

its sad when people resort to bugs but since all of the SLS are hiprocritical on the F2 , F4zzzzzzzzzzzz tactical scouts i now use and accept them as well but i have a lagit scout tactics that owns it altho it uses light vettes as well wich i did release in our private strategy area

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SLS use the F2 F4 thing and call you a cheating ESer when u use it then they HS you ;| but i just stop my fighters and let them kami but i got no problem with most of the SLS dolts it just annoys me they will defend the hell out of their use of these scouts then turn around and call you a cheater for using them on them

[Lex]

You for some reason keep refering to SLS as a group.

I don't know of anyone in that group that is using that kind of scouts me for example only use scouts on f4 with the occasional z then switch them to f2 when i have other ships to attend to and then just leave them hanging.

On the other hand i have neve5r accused you of using es either and the only thing i counter es with is meaner es

But nm wich SLS are these that you talk about all the time?

The only ones i see online are me and balrog at the moment.

[Zero|SF]

Hey Lex, excuse Lags, hes mentally challenged. Welcome to our humble home

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Just let everyone use the damn bugs, it will be even then.

[Havoc]

Ah ok Icabod, i know what u mean by that, oh well what more can we do if now evryone knows the damn bugs and using them, but i gotta point that the ones who began using them were SF, not all of you guys but a few, and that all started since you guys put this kinda topics in here, and i bet the ones who didnt know, now they do since they been reading all this and been experimenting with the f2,f4 tweaking, and constantly change of formations. I mean i know some of us already knew it, but that doesnt gives the right to use them on others. But i guess to many ppl are using it now

mhh a patch would be interesting, less stress when swarming.

On the other hand i like swarming hehe.

[Lagsy]

its mostly n00bSLS he will keep rapidly changing F2 F4 zzzzzzzzz then if i do it back he will do full ES or HS like i buged him :|

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and a quote from in game from you lex " fatboy is that ES " when he was using same thing F2 F4 zzzz

[Lex]

noob actually used a diff scout tactic for the last 6 months he played i just think its a bit too much to retarget every 3-4 seconds

And as for Fatboys scouts in that 4v4 they were as they often have been before indeed es but hey i know he likes em and as long as we both can use the same stuff i don't mind

[Lagsy]

actualy i checked teh pkts from record it was just F2,zzz,,F4,zzzzz

[Camoze]

ive seen zero and lags use cancel orders for the kushan door, and the hidden grav wells..........stupid nucklemonkeys

[Ostap.hg]

ive seen zero and lags use cancel orders for the kushan door, and the hidden grav wells..........stupid nucklemonkeys

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So... Lets Bug them!!

[Lagsy]

yes as a counter to people using scouts bugs on me i use bugs back

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if i am strait caping and i see a swarm make 1 pass and kill 40 scouts in 3 seconds your dam strait i am gonna get even

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and BTW some HG use cancel on kush door every game and n00bSLS does it for every ships every game on kush door conts dessy MD gravs ect....

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so i just even up the playing field by using it back

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btw camoze using cancel with taiidan ships falling out is same as using it on kushan door i have timed it with both taiidan and kushan ships for a dessy to come out and be under your full controler as in will not say " can not reply " when u give it move or attack orders.

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exactly same time so i seen you use it as well with your gravs. its kinda easy to tell when taiidan do it ship falls out and back instead of moving forward to parade or grav is on before its fallen out

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so before you jump to accuse look at your own actions

[FiirkslSF]

I'm amazed this is still going on.

[Lagsy]

how about we make sure every one knows how to do every type of cancel orders bug except the hide ships in hyper space one. and just make them acceptable to use. its not like its all that benificial unless its a grav well to turn it on right away and hold it in MS for a few secs. it actualy takes longer for a dessy to get up to the fight when u do it cause it will fall out back and sit there even if u gave it attack/move orders after u hit cancel cause the AI will say cannot respond altho u can hyper a ship after u hit cancel orders.

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either we accept it play maps that ban scouts or just stop whining when its done.

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if i see it done i will do it.

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maybe we should all go back to probe boming any type of scouts and just let who ever can bug the best win sounds fun to me lol.

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i could remake all the popular maps to not allow scouts but i bet us SF would be only ones willing to play them cause every one else needs their wiggy scouts to win with their swarms ;(

[FiirkslSF]

Banning scouts is a bit caustic. i thnk we should keep going with what we've always done, call people on thier exploits or use a different one back.

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If you're desperate enough to use one, well, thats messed up, but there's nothing wrong with being the second person to use an exploit.

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We can argue what is and what isnt an exploit till we're blue in the face and probably won't get anywhere.

[WedgeHG]

I am shocked to find this F2 F4 thing an issue. They are nothing new. That is how Dead-HG taught me to use fighters when I first joined HG. And that's been a while ago.

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As for the Kushan door: Kah, I'll take your word that the taiidan and kushan times are the same. But using the cancel orders does benefit the kushan: their next ship cant come out untill the door closes again. When they use cancel orders, the door closes again faster so the next ship gets out faster. The Taiidan MS can dump them out one right after the other without the bug.

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And one more thing: "there's nothing wrong with being the second person to use an exploit."

I couldn't disagree more.

[Lagsy]

only way to counter bugs is to use a bug.

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the only bug that has a non bug counter is HS wich is kami scouts with zzzzzzzz cancel orders ur scouts stop their hit and tehy lose all theirs u might lose 4 at most.

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and as for your saying its not right to use a bug back thats like saying if some one brings a gun to a knife fight you cant pull out your gun

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bugs are not cheats just dirty tactics cause if u think about it in real life almost all of them could be acomplished.

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and dont say they cant cause they could cause scouts never reach their full speed or anything near it on attack runs wedge so the pilots would not get flattened agaist their seat. they maybe get to 50% speed if that before slowing to make a new attack run. i have seen teh AI for every ship so i know how they actualy react and act or should.

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bugs are just realy poor sportsmanship not cheats.

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its like thowing sand in your enemies eyes in a street fight to gain the upper hand.

[Guest afterlifehg]

I have a compromise. Let us suspend the discussion on the use of F2 F4zzzz until a scout lab is done between myself and Lags on scout madness with lags doing the F2 F4 and I my own strat. Thus, Lags would have every reason to win and prove the "exploits" of F2 F4zzzz and I'll have the opportunity to prove that it is a flawed bug and not as invincible as you guys seem to think it is. Sounds good?

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In regards to the kushan door cancel thing and respond bug with bug, I find that those who uses it usually does so because they are losing and getting desparate. In my personal opinion, I would consider the game forfeited by the person who resorts to bug. Thus, wheather or not I end up losing the game, it is without doubt who is the better player. It is the skill, not the kill of the other's ms, that you should be concerned about. Responding bug with bug or exploits with exploits proves nothing of your skill. Let's see you kicking a** even when bugged on- that's a better accomplishment than doing a dolt strat

[Lagsy]

hey now dont diss my dolt starts i nearly got u with my drones after on Iam's way u had only MS left when i scuttled ;P muhahaha.

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csypderSLS lost to my drone strat twice

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and mouse lost to my improvising and using conts to ram kill all his caps

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but if some one takes out all your fighters and you swarmed ( caps will be slow to them if they did strait or inter caps ) and u lost a full swarm and lights to just scouts your preaty much screwed then cause they will have u out caped and BBALL to top it off.

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and my saying that F2 zzz F4 zzz is a bug is cause i was told it was back when relic devs still played cause i used it on them and they said i was exploited the game engine.

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i made 30 scouts last all game on talas 1v1 agasit a smurf who had scouts and inters so he was unable to kill my scouts i had 15 left by time my side cloud dried up using the F2 F4 thing kept my new scouts in middle as a bball on my wall and owned his support frigate orgy fast with a 2 wall and a bball and just kept his fighters going out there at map edge when i sent my 2 colls to middle and retired cont.

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but i was using the F2 and f4 slowly. as my scouts where moving in fireing i was on F4 while they where running out to turn around i used F2 to shorten the attack run. but it also makes them turn sooner then they normaly would i think that is where the relic guys said it was an exploit but if its just gonna be accepted then i will just use it then.

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but i got a strat with scouts and lights that is 100% lagit that can beat a full swarm which i could show u in a lab on talas or i could make a map with full swarm for guest and lights and scouts for host to show u it after ;P

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i just give up now maybe i should do what fornax does have groups of 2 or 3 scouts kami on F2 in my fighter battles yes the SLS veiewer shows him having 2 - 3 ships kami all game long and these are in games where he had no reps and no one had salvs

[FiirkslSF]

Thats what fornication does!?

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Oh man. Whats your 100% legit strat lags? Englighten us please, I need some scouts help.

[WedgeHG]

oh comeon, HS is one of the easiest to spot. If he was doing that it would be readily apparent. And I don't think that 2-3 in the whole swarm would make a profound difference anyways.

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And I agree totally with afterlife's position on people using bugs. If they cheat, they lost. Whether it is your MS or theirs that blows up. There is no shame in losing to a cheater. But you can laugh at them extra hard if you beat them anyways Didn't your mommy ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a life? And if I hear any "3 lefts" jokes I'm gonna drive the Wedgie Crane up in here

[Lagsy]

6 lefts make a uber great right woot

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* sLaPs wedge * and actualy 2-3 every now an then doing kami will take out up to 15 enemy fighters before getting killed if they get killed that is. and HS is only spotable if a large number of scouts are doing it.

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i have done it with 8 scouts while rest of swarm did normal attack runs and it was not knoticed by any one out of 12 1v1 games i played as a smurf and i won with less strike then they had

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and fiirkan i did release my light scout strat in private forums

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guess i will go back to old fighter tactics and laugh when people accuse me of bugs and tell em to check packets and if they conveinently didnt record since i always do i can offer to email it to them and burst their bubble hehe

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since i never bug first and if enemy scouts bug me i will counter even if counter is a bug cause i am not gonna screw my team cause my guy buged my scouts and will out swarm me with only scouts feck that shyt.

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and when it comes down to it BUGS ARE AND NEVER WILL BE CHEATS.

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They are only dirty tactics when u realy think about it cause any of that stuff is possbile to do cept for hiding in hyper space * unless some random anomaly screws up ur hyper drive and locks u in some subspace continuum or some shyt *

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so if they get cheap first nothin wrong with getting cheap back.

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the only real cheats create a sync error so there.

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EXPLOITS = poor sportmansship nothing more when it comes down to it.

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like one bug that i cant control and its diff each time too. when my MS is under attack and i need to stop all builds to hyper then all those builds will keep going and will exceed unit caps as well some times they still take RU some times they dont but its annoying cause it can change the corse of the game if i can keep my MS alive when my fleet has unlimted ships coming.

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basicly you guys are telling pirates to play nice ( ie not kill rob and plunder ) when u say dont use bugs.

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from now i will just counter what i see with its counters what ever the counter maybe. there is nothing wrong with playing dirty as long as its not a real cheat.

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some guys used to have a mod set for cloaked fighters back in the day cause game wont sync till he reserached them cause he made em reserach in 1 sec build 1 sec had uber speed and fire power and could kill 7 MS's before the syncs could actualy throw game out completely cause at first its just cheat and all are still in same game. so the speed and fire power he could run hit 1 MS kill 1 shot hit next and kill other team in a few moments before rest of syncs could change game syncronization.

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it was actualy kinda funny cause when he started losing he would do it lol.

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shyt happens either be a goody two shoes and deal or fight fire with liquid nitrogen and freeze their a55

[FiirkslSF]

Can we be done with this yet?

[Lagsy]

then lock it already lol