Guys i need u 2 fill me in. Is Cancel Order a bug in hw cause ostap keeps claiming its not and using it on me. He uses it with his fighters for the most part and i have seen him pop out a dessie with it as well. so just post the TRUTH!!!
the cancle order key is only a bug when used to circumvent the kushan’s bay door and get ship out faster or turn well on as it comes out.
to hit cancle orders on ships then tell them to attack again is perfectly lagit. all it does is stop ur swarm dead then u have to reissue the attack order or they will just sit there.
good to use cancle agaist some one using kami scout bug 
when ur swarm stops they will lose as much as 20 to 40 scouts on just 1 of ur fighters so funny to see
We have a similar discussion going on at the HG boards (in private). As Kahless said, using cancel orders with fighters is not cheating. It is cheating, however, with the kushan door. If Ostap was doing that in the past it was out of ignorance, not malice, and he won’t be doing it any more now that he is aware that it is cheating.
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I disagree. Using the cancel orders to make kushan ships pop out is legit IMO. The door is a huge dis-advantage compared to Taii and using the ~ key simply evens it out.
yes it is fiirkan cause taiidan ships take exactly the same time to be come affective/moveable as ships from kushan death door.
also kushan have advantage for caps on taiidan caps come much faster cause kushan has side for frigs to come out taiidan frigs/dessy same opening so only 1 ship at atime can come out.
kuhsan can have a frig and dessy pop out same time.
so cancel order on kushan death door is a bug.
btw if u seen peeps getting control of taiidan ships so fast they are using cancel orders then u just cant see cause of no door 
And what do U think Levi?? 
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Ur scouts lost with me and U can’t believe it ;]
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I never used cancel orders on Dessies when they are launching from MS (maby it was hazard what You saw)…
As i recall i raped your fighters when u did that by targeting section by section of your swarm. And u Accussed me of cheating. That isnt cheating Ostap ITS TACTICAL!!!SO F OFF! and i used f2 f4 z to rape em.
F2 F4 changing is ES levi a bug cause scouts will split up then group and attack skipping attack runs with out u having to tell them to attack again.
to cancel your attack then reattack is lagit.
it can also be done with a wall or with caps duh 
and the heavy corvette burst attack if u hit cancel after then do it again they wont sit there all dumb they will turn right away and charge and fire.
f2 f4 z is a BUG??? MAKE UP YOUR NAUGHTY WORD! MIND!!! I was told its skilled use of tactics.
LoL, now U know it’s a bug, and everything that i told is true:P
Hey n00bs, liek wats up n stuff eh. Like its stupid, I use the cancel bug on the door only if I absolutely need to, ie im getting owned and I need that ship (btw i cant get pwned im too pro)
Ostap im gonna kick your a** so hard u’ll kiss the moons.
- pwns zero and dont even break a sweat *
Guys. There will always be debate about HW’s launching etc. regarding Kush/Taii. There will always be debate about what is ES/HS/BS (thats short for bullsh1t in case you’re wondering what BS scouts are) so I welcome it, its good to discuss, but lets be civil about it ok? No need to flame, use naughty words, tell people to F off etc.
Thanks. If you can’t keep things orderly in this thread, I’ll close it, ok?
Now that i’ve got my moderator post out, I’d like to stick back in here my opinions…
F2 z F4 z is definetly more than an
. By doing so, you cause the scouts to change thier formations, vectors and attack runs. In this way, the scouts “violate” the physics engine of the game. Instead of fighting as they should, they break the laws of physics because of thier change in tactics (resets thier motion etc.) and make sharper turns, quicker attack runs and dodge in ways that make them nearly impossible to kill.
F9 z F10 z or some varient there of is usually regarded as ES/AS (not to be confused with a** which is squid ) and is also illegal, without any debate. There can never be a debate about whether the twitchey ES bug is a bug or not, it is. Same goes for HS, which is using the K F2 zzz to make scouts follow closely on enemy scouts and disalow them from turning. This is also obviously a bug.
The only debate therefore can be on whether or not Cancel Orders is a bug or whether or not F2 z F4 z is a bug. Both are obvious examples of violating physics. By using cancel orders, the ship comes to a dead stop instantly without any period of deceleration as would be called for by the game’s physics engine. This is clearly not allowed by physics, but gaming, is it ok? Doing so allows an F4 wall to make a nearly instantaneious turn in the particuarly devastating way that they do. Often a noob will scream “Ahhh Cheat0r ES waaa!” if you do this, and they might be onto something. However, this move has stood the test of time through HW and most players dont object to it.
F2 z F4 z also violates the game’s engine in the above mentioned ways. It is much closer to ES than the Cancel Orders bug. Perhaps this is due, in part, to the fact that it uses the Function keys as ES does. But there is truth to this being an exploit, it too breaks the “laws” of physics. More so than Cancel Orders, it creates ships that are “impossible” to hit in the same way that ES is. In this sense, it is obviously an exploit. I agree that F2 z F4 z when done quickly is a cheat. When done slowly as in allowing a swarm to balloon out, turn and attack again in F4 is not a cheat. It all depends on how quickly the orders are given. If done so in a way that creates the “twitch” of ES, then it is a cheat. Perhaps too if done slowly it is an exploit, but not a cheat, because it does not create the invincible scouts that would be created by rapid succession of F2zF4zzzz.
I think that sums up scouts, when I do some more lab studies of the door/taii launch, I’ll write about that, but this is something I know a little bit about so I can speak with some amount of knowledge.
Sorry for double posting, but its good to keep the two “personalities” seperate in a thread like this.
The kushan ms does take a lot longer to pop out a supercap than the taiidan does. taiidan can drop 2 dessys and 3 frigs in a few seconds. Kushan has to open the door, close the door, then reopen it for supercap ships. But to justify the bug as “evening things out” is just rediculous. Playing as kushan has several distinct advantages over taiidan. Kushan is better for swarmers, corvwallers, and support whores. Taiidan is better for caps. The kushan MS is much more capable of killing attacking fighters and corvetts than the taiidan MS is. Kushan also has the self-healing support frigs. It only seems right that it has a disadvantage somewhere (and no, looking like a giant space-banana is not a disadvantage ).
they may finish but a 2nd dessy will not even show untill the first dessy is out and under its own power wich is exactly the same time a kushan dessy is out and under its own power i have timed it.
see with taiidan u can use cancel orders on caps colls and conts with out it being noticed as it has no door.
as for scouts:
If at any time scouts stop on a dime turn and start attacking again all in the blink of an eye thats preaty much a bug. any method to make scouts stop their attack run and wig around whip back into fighting with out having to re order them to attack is a bug period.
so unless you are hitting cancel orders and then telling them to start attacking again its a bug.
only other lagit scout tactics are set MS to a group number i use 8 and scouts are on 1 add 8 to ur scouts hit a formatoin key for parade then hit 1 then tell scouts to attack while on F4 aggressive they will then go formationless like evassive scouts but will take up big gay delta’s after they finish killing.
also hit the D key for dock then re order your attack ur scouts will turn to retreat realy fast ( docking strike move faster then non docking strike will ) then re order attack they will go back to fighting its good to draw them to ur MS and take home field advantage.
Not like i ever get the chance to use the ` key, Usually i build my massive fleet in half the time it takes for you to do it then come and rape your MS… over and over again.
IMO, project told me to use ` against him once, and that does not prove it legit, but since then i have been using it and no one has ever called me on it. I only consider it cheap when you are canceling on a grav to keep it inside your MS.
That fact that no one has ever brought it up in a game since I first knew about it 5 years ago tells me its fine to use it. Levi, im pretty sure you not going to change anyones opinion on this.